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Katrina Altenhofen's avatar

In our area, we have some "naughty" hospices that walk a fine line on offering services that should be the responsibility of the nursing home. They often offer to do ALL the baths for patients to "help" the CNAs and staff out. I would agree with Dr. Pullen that these patients need support, and if the family and/or the patient wants a bath a day, have the hospice and nursing home work as a healthcare team to provide what is best for the patient.

JoAnn Pullen, MD, HMDC's avatar

The patients they’re talking about are most likely Medicare and Medi-Cal. Medi-Cal pays for the nursing home. These are the sickest patients and the ones that have limited family support. These patients require a lot more care. A doctor or nurse practitioner must see them once a month for example. The NH calls constantly . My own mother is in Home Hospice and requires 24 seven care and her care at home cost $12,000 a month. She is obviously in a different category than a hospice patient in a nursing home. Medicare really need to separate the Medicaid patients from the private pay patients . They are in a different category. This new possible rule discriminates against poor patients and the hospices that provide inner-city care. In California we do not have freestanding hospice facilities. Our NH hospice patients are sent to one of our nursing homes where we have a contract. I believe it’s about 30 to 40% of the patients. We are also able to take the patients from the hospitals where we are doing inpatient hospice, and sending the patients to a lower level of care which saves Medicare millions. There was also a huge placement problems in inner city hospitals so we are able to take the custodial only patients out of the hospital and have a place for them in our contracted NH if they’re on hospice.

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